Sunday, March 1, 2020
Blog #4 - Bad Guys Donʻt Have Birthdays
Iʻm curious...is allowing children to talk about bad guys and guns and killing ok for children at this age to play and fantasize about? Is it appropriate? Some of their fantasy play sounded like the child was trying to tell the teacher something that was possibly going on with the child that maybe the child was calling out for help. I understand the choice in allowing children to fantasy play, but to what limits do you allow children to feed into killing and reincarnation? Do you allow their play to continue, or do you redirect their conversations? I have a student that come from a family of hunters. And so everyday, he creates everything he plays with into a gun. We, or rather other teachers Iʻve heard, discourage children in pretending to play cops and robbers because of the whole gun thing. Iʻve heard teachers tell students, "Guns arenʻt allowed in school." However, I had a class that made perfect sense to me. Instead of denying them, you teach them. What are guns for? Why can they be dangerous? Because guns are used by hunters to hunt for food. Therefore, guns can be a useful tool. However, if you deny children from acting out from what they have experienced or seen and curious about, theyʻll find ways and become sneaky. Growing up, I remember my dad being so strict with me that I would find every opportunity to go against his demands because I was curious about the world and I wanted to know more. I feel, children are curious souls that you have to let them experience it. You can be there to guide them and teach them the right way. I use this theory with my own children at home. Children are born curious and you can choose to hinder their curiosity or you can help mold and nurture their curious minds the way you want them to. The connection to assessment and documentation I found interesting was utilizing a tape recorder and hearing discussions and things that goes on around the classroom that we may not hear. Childrenʻs stories are being told through play. Paley (1988) shares, “...students disclose more of themselves as characters in a story than as participants in a discussion.” Her students have a strong connection with each other and these same children seem to play with each other all the time. They all come from different backgrounds, and different styles, with different family situations. Each one has a story to be told, and want t be heard. From an assessment point of view, knowing what childrenʻs interests are, knowing how they learn, they play, they get along, they argue and so forth play a huge role as it can guide teacher curriculum and know where to scaffold their learning from there. Her work of assessment collection is very different than that of standardized testing data collection. She really listens to each individual and changes and adapts to children and how they learn. She, herself, learns so much about them and herself that she thought she knew, but didnʻt. As an educator myself, Iʻve learned that I donʻt know everything and that I will always learn along side children every day. We are co-learners and are always growing together. Thatʻs what makes a teacher and student bond so special. We teach each other. She listened, she documented, she assessed and continued to listen even after the day is done. She refers back to her tape recorder and listens to all the details that she may have missed throughout the day. She is definitely inspiring through the way she interacts with these students and they just listen to each other and feed off of each other. Tape record is something I honestly have no time for. However, we do have access to Ipads that its purpose is specifically for documenting childrenʻs learning throughout the day and the entire year. The use of technology is becoming more available for staff and children in the classroom. We were given 5 Ipads and utilizing the video and camera to document data and collect samples have been useful when inputting data into Work Sampling. It allows for visual memory, as well as evidence of what children can do and are doing in and out of the classroom. Children are allowed to document themselves as well of each otherʻs learning along side their own learning. As for fantasy play, I find it very scarce in my classroom because children are now using the phrase, “Iʻm bored,” more often than usual. The simplest things for fantasy play is provided, but children arenʻt used to fantasy play at home, so when they come to school and are provided with opportunities, they donʻt know what to do with it. Imagination is out the door for children now days and I feel it is because of technology. And so this topic of the use of technology can be controversial, however, it can also be a useful tool in the classroom when talking about assessment and documentation. There was a part in the book that the teacher talked about approaching the children about their view of her as a witch because she got angry when they made a mess. We as teachers, sadly, are capable of this memory, while children can move on so quickly the next second and forget all about it. Although, we do have some children who can recall the kumu getting upset, and so it makes me wonder...is this because her students are so wrapped up in fantasy play that they have so much to express that they can just move on like that?
Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)

Hello KemomilaniokawahineuʻiI,
ReplyDeleteYou are making a good point by asking if bad guys and killing is OK for children at this age to play and fantasize? I think, in a way good guys and bad guys are OK because it is not quite as final as shooting and killing. Maybe, they might call out for help, but I believe it is more that children acting out movie scenes which they might not quite understand or could not digest and therefore act it out in play. Unfortunately, too many children see movies or even play video games where there is so much killing and shooting involved. I see these kinds of play in our school as well even when we strongly encourage parents to select more appropriate movies or not watch television at school night at all. I know it is an easy babysitter to put a child in front of a television but not the best choice for the child. I have a problem with killing and shooting in the classroom or outside play and I mostly discourage it. Our children seem to be very clever and say right away that they are hunting bears or food for dinner. When my own children were using sticks as guns they had to put them down before they could enter the house. I used to say “ No guns in my house”.
I agree that it is difficult to find time to use a tape recorder because a school days are busy and there is never enough help available.
I do not hear children say “I am bored” but often I can observe that the children cannot creatively or fantasy play anymore. It might be because children are used to be entertained all the time or maybe are used to watch television and therefore just have to sit there and take in the show. Sometime we have to get them started and engage them what they could play or do. Hopefully, it will help them, and sooner than later they have their own ideas.
I think, children are more forgiving because they know that we are also humans and sometimes can lose it a bit. It is maybe a good thing later to talk about the anger outburst of a teacher because it does not feel good for us as well. Possibly, as you wondered that they might be so wrapped up in their own fantasy play.
Aloha Ulrike
Yes, I agree that technology plays a huge impact on children now days, especially those with older siblings in the household. My older son definitely influences my younger son in keeping up with the "norm." However, they are still closely monitored. Not all children are monitored and given limitations for technology. Children at younger ages are allowed cell phones and Ipads before they can even walk. Technology can be a useful tool, yes, but how can we limit children when parents themselves canʻt limit their use? Children are crying out for attention because some parents give their attention to their phones. We had a parent come in everyday with her phone in hand, staring at it from the time she brought her daughter, signed her in and left, still staring at her phone. Crazy! And yes, when they are bored, itʻs because technology gives them instant gratification and doesnʻt allow for much creativity and stimulation.
DeleteHi your first question is an interesting question. I think it is okay to a certain extent. When it gets overboard that is when you gotta stop the play. I think that is what the books talks about too. Some of the themes that she puts into play is death, fear, etc. I feel like technology is getting used more in the classroom. I know that in elementary school they have about two or three computers that the children can use or they each have iPads, but with preschoolers only the teachers can use the IPads or IPhones to record, observe, and assess a child. I go both ways of technology in a classroom. My question for you is where do you stop children's play? Where do you think that line is of stopping the children's play? Thanks for sharing.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your thoughts. That is actually what Iʻm asking..Where do you draw the line? Because in all honesty, I wouldnʻt think allowing children to fantasy play death and reincarnation as she listened to the children play. I understand it is a part of life, life and death, but would it be appropriate at this young age?
DeleteAloha Kemomi,
ReplyDeleteYou brought up a great point about the addressing of bad guys and guns. I think rather than telling the children that guns are not allowed in schools, we should teach the children what guns are for and maybe incorporate it into a teaching lesson. Children fantasy play all the time and as teachers and educators we should teach the children the morals of the difference between good guys and bad guys. In my opinion I think it is alright for children to play bad guys and good guys, but teachers should monitor the playing. As we talked about in the other ECED classes, media and technology plays a big part in the influence of children. They fantasy play with bad guys and good guys and shoot like they are doing in video games. The most common thing I hear children is I am bored. I personally do not like to here that, and if they are bored then they can find something to do. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Kemomi,
ReplyDeleteYou made some great points. Your explanation on how we as teachers can teach our students about guns and their uses as well as their dangers is very valuable. I hear it and I say it quite often "No guns at school, No weapons are allowed at school, weapons hurt" You really excited my thought on this one because if we find ourselves repeating the same words to correct the same behavior year after year then maybe we should address the situation differently. There is obviously a learning opportunity presenting itself and taking a different stand point could prove to be more beneficial to our students. Instead of banning the guns and weapons teach them about it. They should learn about it, they obviously have an interest in it and they could benefit to learn of the uses of a gun and other weapons as well as the dangers if used in unsafe ways.
Your comments on the iPad I am there with you. I have used up the data on the iPads in the classroom and have had to erase videos that I did of the children during small group lessons and center time play. I press the record button when we are having discussions because the kids have a lot to share and I cannot write all the words that every one says as they say it so I record our discussions and listen later so that I can input my data collection into WSO. There were some lessons that I wanted to capture them in action with physical activities but I have to try and hide the iPad because when they see it their behavior changes a little bit because they know that they are being video taped. It does take a lot of time to listen to and watch the videos I make but I do my best to get the data input into WSO. Thank You for your thoughts I really enjoyed reading your blog! Good luck to you this year with your SLG and PLG :)
Aloha Kemomi,
ReplyDeleteI think, as we can see, talk about guns and bad guys is not a topic that's something we're only dealing with these days - this book was written over 30 years ago, and the children are more likely to be almost 40 years old than not. That's not to say there weren't movies or TV shows that children were exposed to back then too (as someone who is the same age as these children, I can remember watching shows that had violence in them growing up), but of course media was less prevalent than it is today. I think this suggests that this is a childhood idea, and not necessarily a "sign of the times," though it certainly be influenced by the massive exposure to media. Instead of trying to put out constant fires like children sneaking in guns and weapons, the question you ask is important - how can we teach children about their usage in a safe, appropriate way? Forcing children to hide it will not teach them anything instead of making sure they don't get caught. Is that something we want them to do if they were to stumble upon a real weapon? Probably not.
In regards to the tape recorder, it's not likely that many of us would have a freestanding one laying about, but all of our smart phones and iPads already come equipped with voice recorders, which are the same thing. Of course, it's not just the recording, but the assessing of the recording. Could we set managable goals to assess and listen (or watch) the recordings we take on a weekly basis? What if we start off small and work our ways up once we see what's manageable? As we've already seen, "quicky and easy" doesn't always yield the best results, and the better results require time and effort. How do we find the balance of collecting and assessing worthwhile information in a timely fashion that works for us in each of our settings? And how can we begin to commit to collecting more and more useful data over time? Mahalo!
Yes, I agree..times are changing and children are being exposed at younger ages and children arenʻt monitored in what they watch and listen to. I believe that music and television influenced children as well 30 plus years ago. But as you shared, it is more prevalent now as it was way back when and possibly because technology was still fresh back then. Turning topics as these into lessons and teachable moments would be my idea if it were my classroom, however, Iʻm just a TA and Iʻve brought this up with my team and the head teacher was not comfortable at all with allowing children to "playʻ with guns; Even if it was to be used to hunt. For this reason, I believe thatʻs why children, as you shared, are "hiding" and being more discrete during play because they are afraid of getting caught and corrected. So no, this is not what I want to teach children, but I can voice suggestions, but the teacher will always have the last say:(
DeleteIn our program, we are not allowed to use our personal IPhones to document and take pictures for evidence because we are tempted to use it inappropriately they said to check messages and so forth. Instead, we were given 5 IPads for children to use and explore with, and we have laptops that is really not ideal to carry around with us all day. We utilize the IPads often which can be helpful, but during down time, we have trainings to do, Work sampling, lesson planning...I mean you understand the list goes on. So finding the balance is something Iʻm trying to seek from others because I find myself being tired and worn out by that time. Time is not on our side as the day seems to just fly by so quickly. I also have the kuleana to snack shop once a week, so that is one day taken away from my prep time. I really want to be intentional and get the best results for children, thatʻs why Iʻm in this field, but it honestly isnʻt ideal. I am still yet to find someone who can honestly say they have found a way to balance it all. Any suggestions you have for me with your experience?